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<h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists</font></h2>

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Mailing lists are an important means of communication among users and

developers of OpenBSD. With the exception of <b>announce</b>,

developers of OpenBSD.

the lists are not moderated. We deliberately

With the exception of <b>announce</b>, the lists are not moderated.

restrict the number of different mailing lists.

We deliberately restrict the number of different mailing lists.

This helps reduce the amount of cross-posting and makes sure that the

This helps reduce the amount of cross-posting and makes sure that

information gets distributed to a wide audience.

the information gets distributed to a wide audience.

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<a name="Netiquette"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Netiquette</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">Netiquette</font></h2>

<p>

Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.

<dl>

<dt><b>Plain text, 72 characters per line</b>

<dd>Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers

(mail(1), emacs, Mutt)

like <a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=mail">mail(1)</a>,

and they find HTML-formatted messages, or lines that stretch beyond 72

emacs or mutt, and they often find HTML-formatted messages (or lines that

characters often unreadable.

stretch beyond 72 characters) unreadable.

Most OpenBSD mailing lists strip messages of MIME content before

Most OpenBSD mailing lists strip messages of MIME content before sending

sending them out to the rest of the list.

them out to the rest of the list.

If you don't use plain text your messages will be reformatted or,

If you don't use plain text, your messages will be reformatted or, if they

if they cannot be reformatted, summarily rejected.

cannot be reformatted, summarily rejected.

The only mailing list that allows attachments is the <b>ports</b> list,

The only mailing lists that allow file attachments are the <b>bugs</b>,

they will be removed from messages on the other mailing lists.

<b>ports</b> and <b>tech</b> lists.

They will be removed from messages on the others.

<dt><b>Do your homework before you post</b>

<dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read the relevant

<dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read

documents such as the INSTALL.* text files in the FTP installation directories, the

the relevant documents, such as the <tt>INSTALLi.*</tt> text files in the

<a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the relevant man pages (start with

installation directories, the <a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the

<a href= "http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=afterboot&sektion=8">afterboot(8)</a>),

relevant man pages (start with

and check the mailing list <a href="#Archives">archives</a>.

afterboot(8)</a>).

Also check the mailing list <a href="#Archives">archives</a>.

We want to help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable

learning experience, and no one wants to see the same question on the

lists for the fifth time in a month.

<dt><b>Include a useful Subject line</b>

<dd>Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and

so they will take longer to show up. Including a relevant Subject in the message

will take longer to show up.

Including a relevant Subject in the message

will ensure that more people actually read what you've written.

Also, avoid Subject lines with excessive capitalization.

"Help!" or "I can't get it to work!" are not useful subject lines.

Do not change the subject line while on the same topic. YOU may know

Do not change the subject line while on the same topic.

what it is regarding, the rest of us who get several hundred messages a

YOU may know what it is regarding, the rest of us who get several hundred

day will have no idea.

messages a day will have no idea.

<dt><b>Trim your signature</b>

<dd>Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable

length. PGP signatures, and those automatic address cards are merely

length.

annoying and are stripped out. Legal disclaimers and advisories are

PGP signatures and those automatic address cards are merely annoying and

very annoying, and inappropriate to public mailing lists.

are stripped out.

Legal disclaimers and advisories are also very annoying, and inappropriate

for public mailing lists.

<dt><b>Stay on topic</b>

<dd>Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD.

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<dt><b>Include important information</b>

<dd>Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.

No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your

problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than one

problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than not

detail too little. Any question should include at least the

enough detail.

<a href="faq/faq5.html#Flavors">version</a> of OpenBSD (i.e.,

All questions should include at least the <a href="faq/faq5.html#Flavors">

"3.2-stable", "3.3-current as of July 20, 2003"). Any hardware related

version</a> of OpenBSD.

questions should mention the platform (i.e., sparc,

Any hardware-related questions should mention the platform (i386, amd64,

alpha, etc.), and provide a full

etc.) and provide a full

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dmesg&sektion=8">dmesg(8)</a>.

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dmesg">dmesg(8)</a>.

Hardware model numbers, unfortunately, don't indicate much about the

actual content of a particular machine or accessory, and are useless to

anyone who doesn't have that exact machine sitting where they can easily

recognize it. The dmesg(8) tells us exactly what is IN your machine,

recognize it.

not what stickers are on the outside.

The dmesg(8) output tells us exactly what is IN your machine, not what

stickers are on the outside.

<dt><b>Respect differences in opinion and philosophy</b>

<dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to

<dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to very

very different conclusions. Repeating the same points that didn't

different conclusions.

convince someone previously rarely changes their mind and irritates all

Repeating the same points that didn't convince someone previously rarely

the other readers.

changes their mind, and irritates all the other readers.

<dt><b>Do not cross-post or repeat post</b>

<dd>Posting the same message to multiple lists and/or multiple times

does not increase the likelihood of getting a useful response, but is

does not increase the likelihood of getting a useful response, and is

likely to irritate the people you want to help you. If you didn't get a

likely to irritate the people you want to help you.

satisfactory response the first time you posted to an appropriate list,

If you didn't get a satisfactory response the first time you posted to an

it is usually because you provided insufficient or unclear information.

appropriate list, it is usually because you provided insufficient or unclear

information.

Don't simply repost the same message.

</dl>

<p>

<p>

The OpenBSD mailing lists use

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=spamd&sektion=8">spamd(8)</a> in greylisting mode as well as

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=spamd">spamd(8)</a>

<a href="http://www.spamassassin.org">SpamAssassin</a> to keep down the

in greylisting mode as well as <a href="http://www.spamassassin.org">

spam volume but things do sneak through--deal with it.

SpamAssassin</a> to keep down the spam volume, but things do sneak through

In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject

from time to time -- deal with it.

In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject emails

based on some common spam and virus telltales.

If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, you don't need to

send a copy to the list owner--chances are he's already seen it.

send a copy to the list owner -- chances are he's already seen it.

Also, please do <b>not</b> submit spam received through the

mailing lists to <a href="http://spamcop.net">spamcop</a>

mailing lists to <a href="http://spamcop.net">spamcop</a>,

as this will result in the list server being added to their RBL.

Complaining about and commenting upon spam on the list proper

Complaining about and commenting upon spam on the list proper is

is counter-productive as it generates more traffic than the spam itself.

counter-productive, as it generates more traffic than the spam itself.

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Note that if you are sending mail from a dynamic IP address you

Note that if you are sending mail from a dynamic IP address, you

will probably <b>not</b> be able to post to the mailing lists.

In this case, you should use a <em>smart host</em> mail configuration

that utilizes your ISP's mail server. See the examples in

that utilizes your ISP's mail server.

See the examples in

smtpd.conf(5)</a> for how to do this.

<a name="Lists"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">The Mailing Lists</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">The Mailing Lists</font></h2>

<h3>General Interest Lists</h3>

These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.

<dl>

<dd>User questions and answers, general questions. This is the most

<dd>User questions and answers, general questions.

active list. Please, <a href="faq/index.html">read the FAQ</a> and the

This is the most active list.

installation documents, and see <a href="report.html">How to report a

Please, <a href="faq/index.html">read the FAQ</a> and the installation

Problem</a> before posting.

documents, and see <a href="report.html">how to report a problem</a>

before posting.

<dt><b>advocacy</b>

<dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in

<dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD.

<i>misc</i> often get shunted here.

<dt><b>announce</b>

<dd>Important announcements. This low volume list is excellent for

<dd>Important announcements.

people who just want occasional news about the project.

This low volume list is excellent for people who just want occasional news

about the project and errata patch notices.

<dt><b>ports</b>

<dd>Discussions about using and contributing to the 'ports' source tree.

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<h3>Developer's Lists</h3>

These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD. They

are NOT for beginning or average users, they are not for problem

reporting (unless you are including a good fix), and they are not for

installation problems. If you have any question about if a message

should be posted to any of these lists, almost invariably, it should not

be. Use <b>misc</b>, above, instead. <b>Please</b> do not cross post

to multiple lists.

These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD.

They are NOT for beginning or average users, they are not for problem

reporting (unless you are including a good fix) and they are not for

installation problems.

If you have any question about if a message should be posted to any of

these lists, it probably should not.

Use <b>misc</b> instead.

Again, <b>do not cross post to multiple lists</b>.

<dl>

<dd><a href="report.html">Bug reports</a> as sent in via

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sendbug&sektion=1">sendbug(1)</a>

<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sendbug">sendbug(1)</a>

and follow-up discussions.

<dd>Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced

users. This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum, do not use it as

users.

such.

This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum; do not use it as such.

OpenBSD developers will often make patches to implement new features

and other important changes available for public testing through this

list.

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<h3>Security Lists</h3>

These private lists are for reporting vulnerabilities to the OpenBSD team.

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LibreSSL team.

</dl>

<h3>Platform Specific Lists</h3>

<h3>Platform-specific Lists</h3>

These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual

platforms.

<dl>

<dt><b>alpha</b>

<dd>OpenBSD/alpha port

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<h3>CVS Changes Mailing Lists</h3>

Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD

CVS tree, a message is mailed out to all the subscribers

of these lists, containing the commit comments.

Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD CVS tree, a message

is mailed out to all the subscribers of these lists, containing the commit

comments.

<dl>

<dt><b>source-changes</b>

<dd>Automated mail-out of CVS source tree changes in all the repositories

<dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the src, xenocara and www

other than <i>ports</i>.

repositories.

<dt><b>ports-changes</b>

<dd>Automated mail-out of ports-specific CVS source tree changes.

<dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the ports repository.

</dl>

<a name="Mirrors"></a><h3>Mirror-related Mailing Lists</h3>

<h3>Mirror-related Mailing Lists</h3>

Announcements and discussion relating to mirrors of OpenBSD.

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<dd>Discussion relating to OpenBSD mirrors.

</dl>

<a name="Majordomo"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List

<h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List Membership via

Membership via Majordomo</font></h2>

Majordomo</font></h2>

<p>

If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available

at openbsd.org, send the command "<tt>lists</tt>" on the body of

at openbsd.org, send the command <tt>lists</tt> in the body of

a message to

<a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>.

<p>

To subscribe to a given list, send mail to

<a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>

with a message body of "<b>subscribe mailing-list-name</b>".

with a message body of "subscribe <tt>mailing-list-name</tt>" (where

<tt>mailing-list-name</tt> is the name of your preferred list).

<p>

For further assistance, send a message body of "<b>help</b>"

For further assistance, send a message body of "help" to

to <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>

<a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>

and you will receive a reply outlining all your options. Your domain

and you will receive a reply outlining all your options.

<b>MUST</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!

Your domain <b>MUST</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!

<a name="Web"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List Membership

via Web</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List Membership via

Web</font></h2>

Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via

a web interface at:

a web interface at <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">lists.openbsd.org</a>.

<a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/">http://lists.openbsd.org/</a>

</blockquote>

<a name="Tricks"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists Tricks</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists Tricks</font></h2>

There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either

by the <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a> or through

by the <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a> or through

<a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a>. You can change

<a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a>.

your email address without having to unsubscribe and resubscribe, you

You can change your email address without having to unsubscribe and

can temporarily disable your message delivery for a few days while you go on

resubscribe, temporarily disable your message delivery for a few days

vacation, and much more. The user is invited to spend some time reading

while you go on vacation and much more.

through the options, available by sending

The user is invited to spend some time reading through the options, available

<a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a> a message

by sending <a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a> a message

containing "<tt>help</tt>" as the body text, or through the

containing "help" as the body text, or through the "Help" tab of the

"<tt>Help</tt>" tab of the <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org">web

<a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a>.

interface</a>.

<p>

As an example, if you were going on vacation for two weeks and didn't

wish to come back to several thousand e-mails, you can disable

wish to come back to several thousand emails, you can disable message

message delivery by the mail server for the time of your vacation and have

delivery by the mail server for the time of your vacation and have

delivery automatically resume upon your scheduled return using the command:

<pre>

set ALL nomail-14d

</pre>

This will suspend your subscription to all mail lists for 14 days

(<tt>-14d</tt>). More details and options can be seen on the

<a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?&user=&passw=&list=GLOBAL&func=help&extra=overview">Majordomo

overview page</a>.

set ALL nomail-14d

</pre></blockquote>

This will suspend your subscription to all mail lists for 14 days

(<tt>-14d</tt>).

More details and options can be seen on the

Majordomo overview page</a>.

<h3>Digests</h3>

If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the

messages for a time period), rather than getting messages individually

in "real-time" form, you can use the commands:

<pre>

set misc digest-daily

set source-changes digest-weekly

set misc digest-daily

</pre>

set source-changes digest-weekly

</pre></blockquote>

for daily digests of the <b>misc</b> list, and weekly digests of the

<b>source-changes</b> list. Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one

<b>source-changes</b> list.

Majordomo email.

Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one Majordomo email.

<a name="OtherLists"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Other Mailing

Lists</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">Other Mailing Lists</font></h2>

<p>

The fine folks at

<a href="http://www.squish.net/openbsd/">squish.net</a> run mailing

lists with daily and weekly digests of the OpenBSD <b>source-changes</b>

and <b>ports-changes</b> mailing list. This is handy for those who

and <b>ports-changes</b> mailing list.

don't like the typically high volume of these lists.

This is handy for those who don't like the typically high volume of these

lists.

<p>

The insomniac at <a href="http://www.benzedrine.ch/mailinglist.html">benzedrine.ch</a>

The insomniac at <a href="http://www.benzedrine.ch/mailinglist.html">

maintains the <b>pf</b> list for people using the OpenBSD

benzedrine.ch</a> maintains the <b>pf</b> list for people using the

packet filter. To subscribe:

OpenBSD packet filter.

<br>

To subscribe, send an email with the message body of "subscribe" to

echo subscribe | mail pf-request@benzedrine.ch

<a href="mailto:pf-request@benzedrine.ch">pf-request@benzedrine.ch</a>.

<a name="nonEnglish"></a> <h2><font color="#e00000">Non-English

<h2><font color="#e00000">Non-English Lists</font></h2>

Lists</font></h2>

Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available

separately. Here is a list of the currently known mailing lists:

separately.

Here is a list of the currently known mailing lists:

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Dutch:

<b>openbsd@list.ii.nl</b>

<br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:

<a href="http://list.ii.nl/listinfo/openbsd">http://list.ii.nl/listinfo/openbsd</a>.

<p>

French:

<b>misc@openbsd-france.org</b>

<br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:

<a href="http://www.openbsd-france.org/communaute.php">http://www.openbsd-france.org/communaute.php</a>.

http://www.openbsd-france.org/communaute.php</a>.

<p>

Italian:

<a href="http://www.sikurezza.org/">sikurezza.org</a>, an Italian language

<b>openbsd@sikurezza.org</b>

non-commercial security portal hosts <b>openbsd@sikurezza.org</b>.

<br>To subscribe, send an empty message to

<br>To subscribe just send an empty message to <a

href="mailto:openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org">openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org</a>.

openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org</a>.

<p>

Japanese:

<b>openbsd-japan@googlegroups.com</b><br>

<b>openbsd-japan@googlegroups.com</b>

To subscribe, please visit

<br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:

http://groups.google.com/group/openbsd-japan</a>

<p>

Portuguese:

<b>openbsd@neei.uevora.pt</b>

<br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:

<a href="http://neei.uevora.pt/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/">http://neei.uevora.pt/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/</a>.

<p>

Slovenian:

to subscribe please visit the URL at

<a href="http://obsd.17slon.org/mailinglist.php"

>http://obsd.17slon.org/mailinglist.php</a>

<p>

Spanish:

<b>OpenBSD-Mexico@googlegroups.com</b>, run from Mexico.

<b>OpenBSD-Mexico@googlegroups.com</b>

<br>To subscribe, please visit

<br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/OpenBSD-Mexico</a>

<p>

Ukrainian:

<b>openbsd@uaoug.org.ua</b>

<br>To subscribe, send mail to

<br>To subscribe, send an empty message to

openbsd+subscribe@uaoug.org.ua</a>

<p>

<a name="Archives"></a><h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing List

Archives:</font></h2>

<h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing List Archives:</font></h2>

These mailing list archives are not managed by the OpenBSD project.

Take the time to look at more than one -- each is a little different,

and has different search abilities. If you don't find an answer in

and has different search abilities.

one, check another.

If you don't find an answer in one, check another.

<ul>

<li><a href="http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.os.openbsd">Gmane</a> (also available by <a href="nntp://news.gmane.org/">NNTP</a>)

Gmane</a> (also available by <a href="nntp://news.gmane.org/">NNTP</a>)

<li>Neohapsis has a

<a href="http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/">mixed archive

for tech@, misc@ and ports@</a> and a

<a href="http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/cvs/">mixed

archive for CVS commits</a>

<li><a href="http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/archives/">Sigmasoft</a> has posts up to March 2010

<li><a href="http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/archives/">Sigmasoft</a>

<li><a href="http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/">Monkey.org</a> has posts up to June 2009

has posts up to March 2010

<li><a href="http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/">Monkey.org</a> has posts up

to June 2009

</ul>

<p>

General search engines, such as

General search engines also prove very effective at finding answers to

<a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a> also prove very effective at

OpenBSD questions.

finding answers to OpenBSD questions.

<p>

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