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  Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.
  
  <dl>
! <dt><b>Plain text, 72 characters per line</b>
  <dd>Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers
  like <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/mail">mail(1)</a>,
  emacs or mutt, and they often find HTML-formatted messages (or lines that
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  Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.
  
  <dl>
! <dt><b>Plain text, 72 characters per line.</b>
  <dd>Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers
  like <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/mail">mail(1)</a>,
  emacs or mutt, and they often find HTML-formatted messages (or lines that
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  They will be removed from messages on the others.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Do your homework before you post</b>
  <dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read
  the relevant documents, such as the <code>INSTALL.*</code> text files in the
  installation directories, the <a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the
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  They will be removed from messages on the others.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Do your homework before you post.</b>
  <dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read
  the relevant documents, such as the <code>INSTALL.*</code> text files in the
  installation directories, the <a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the
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  lists for the fifth time in a month.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Include a useful Subject line</b>
  <dd>Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and
  will take longer to show up.
  Including a relevant Subject in the message will ensure that more people
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  lists for the fifth time in a month.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Include a useful Subject line.</b>
  <dd>Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and
  will take longer to show up.
  Including a relevant Subject in the message will ensure that more people
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  messages a day will have no idea.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Trim your signature</b>
  <dd>Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable length.
  PGP signatures and those automatic address cards are merely annoying and
  are stripped out.
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  messages a day will have no idea.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Trim your signature.</b>
  <dd>Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable length.
  PGP signatures and those automatic address cards are merely annoying and
  are stripped out.
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  for public mailing lists.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Stay on topic</b>
  <dd>Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Include important information</b>
  <dd>Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.
  No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your
  problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than not
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  for public mailing lists.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Stay on topic.</b>
  <dd>Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Include important information.</b>
  <dd>Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.
  No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your
  problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than not
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  stickers are on the outside.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Respect differences in opinion and philosophy</b>
  <dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to very
  different conclusions.
  Repeating the same points that didn't convince someone previously rarely
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  stickers are on the outside.
  <p>
  
! <dt><b>Respect differences in opinion and philosophy.</b>
  <dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to very
  different conclusions.
  Repeating the same points that didn't convince someone previously rarely
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  If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, you don't need to
  send a copy to the list owner &mdash; chances are he's already seen it.
  Also, please do <b>not</b> submit spam received through the
! mailing lists to <a href="http://spamcop.net">spamcop</a>,
  as this will result in the list server being added to their RBL.
  Complaining about and commenting upon spam on the list proper is
  counter-productive, as it generates more traffic than the spam itself.
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  If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, you don't need to
  send a copy to the list owner &mdash; chances are he's already seen it.
  Also, please do <b>not</b> submit spam received through the
! mailing lists to <a href="https://www.spamcop.net">spamcop</a>,
  as this will result in the list server being added to their RBL.
  Complaining about and commenting upon spam on the list proper is
  counter-productive, as it generates more traffic than the spam itself.
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  <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf">smtpd.conf(5)</a> for how
  to do this.
  
! <h2 id="Lists">General interest lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.
  
  <dl>
  <dt><b>announce@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>Announcements and security advisories.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>misc@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>User questions and answers, general questions.
  This is the most active list.
  Please read <a href="faq/index.html">the FAQ</a> and the installation
  documents, and see <a href="report.html">how to report a problem</a>
  before posting.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>advocacy@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-advocacy">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ports@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>Discussions about using and contributing to the ports tree.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>misc@opensmtpd.org</b>
  <dd>General discussions, issues and ideas about native and portable OpenSMTPD.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/OpenSMTPD">Github</a>.
  To subscribe there,
  follow instructions from <a href="https://opensmtpd.org/list.html">the OpenSMTPD website</a>.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@opensmtpd.org">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>users@openbgpd.org</b>
  <dd>General discussions, issues and ideas about native and portable OpenBGPD.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/openbgpd-portable/openbgpd-portable">Github</a>.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbgpd-users">Archive</a>)
  </dl>
  
! <h3>Developer lists</h3>
  
  <p>
  These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD.
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  <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf">smtpd.conf(5)</a> for how
  to do this.
  
! <h2 id="Lists">General Interest Lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.
  
  <dl>
  <dt><b>announce@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>Announcements and security advisories.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>misc@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc">Archive</a>)
  <dd>User questions and answers, general questions.
  This is the most active list.
  Please read <a href="faq/index.html">the FAQ</a> and the installation
  documents, and see <a href="report.html">how to report a problem</a>
  before posting.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>advocacy@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-advocacy">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ports@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>Discussions about using and contributing to the ports tree.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>misc@opensmtpd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@opensmtpd.org">Archive</a>)
  <dd>General discussions, issues and ideas about native and portable OpenSMTPD.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/OpenSMTPD">Github</a>.
  To subscribe there,
  follow instructions from <a href="https://opensmtpd.org/list.html">the OpenSMTPD website</a>.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>users@openbgpd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbgpd-users">Archive</a>)
  <dd>General discussions, issues and ideas about native and portable OpenBGPD.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/openbgpd-portable/openbgpd-portable">Github</a>.
  </dl>
  
! <h2>Developer Lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD.
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>bugs@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>Bug reports as sent in via
  <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/sendbug">sendbug(1)</a> and follow-up discussion.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>tech@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced users.
  This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum &mdash; do not use it as such.
  OpenBSD developers will often make patches to implement new features
  and other important changes available for public testing through this list.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>libressl@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>Technical discussion about native and portable LibreSSL.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/libressl-portable/portable">Github</a>.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=libressl">Archive</a>)
  </dl>
  
! <h3>Reporting security issues</h3>
  
  These private addresses are for reporting vulnerabilities to the OpenBSD team.
  
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>bugs@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs">Archive</a>)
  <dd>Bug reports as sent in via
  <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/sendbug">sendbug(1)</a> and follow-up discussion.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>tech@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech">Archive</a>)
  <dd>Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced users.
  This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum &mdash; do not use it as such.
  OpenBSD developers will often make patches to implement new features
  and other important changes available for public testing through this list.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>libressl@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=libressl">Archive</a>)
  <dd>Technical discussion about native and portable LibreSSL.
  Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
  <a href="https://github.com/libressl-portable/portable">Github</a>.
  </dl>
  
! <h2>Reporting Security Issues</h2>
  
  These private addresses are for reporting vulnerabilities to the OpenBSD team.
  
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  <dd>Report vulnerabilities related to OpenSMTPD.
  </dl>
  
! <h3>Platform-specific lists</h3>
  
  <p>
  These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual
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  <dd>Report vulnerabilities related to OpenSMTPD.
  </dl>
  
! <h2>Platform-Specific Lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>alpha@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/alpha port.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-alpha">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>arm@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/armv7 and OpenBSD/arm64 ports.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-arm">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>hppa@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/hppa port.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-hppa">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>m88k@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/luna88k port.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-m88k">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ppc@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/macppc and other PowerPC porting efforts.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ppc">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
- <dt><b>sgi@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/sgi port.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-sgi">Archive</a>)
- <p>
- 
  <dt><b>sparc@openbsd.org</b>
- <dd>OpenBSD/sparc64 port.
- <br>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-sparc">Archive</a>)
  
  </dl>
  
! <h2>CVS changes mailing lists</h2>
  
  Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD CVS tree, a message
  is mailed out to all the subscribers of these lists, containing the commit
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>alpha@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-alpha">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/alpha port.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>arm@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-arm">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/armv7 and OpenBSD/arm64 ports.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>hppa@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-hppa">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/hppa port.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>m88k@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-m88k">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/luna88k port.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ppc@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ppc">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/macppc and other PowerPC porting efforts.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>sparc@openbsd.org</b>
  (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-sparc">Archive</a>)
+ <dd>OpenBSD/sparc64 port.
  
  </dl>
  
! <h2>CVS Changes Mailing Lists</h2>
  
  Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD CVS tree, a message
  is mailed out to all the subscribers of these lists, containing the commit
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>source-changes@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the <code>src</code>,
  <code>xenocara</code> and <code>www</code> repositories.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs">Archive</a>)
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ports-changes@openbsd.org</b>
  <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the <code>ports</code>
  repository.
- <br>
- (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs">Archive</a>)
  
  </dl>
  
! <h2 id="Mirrors">Mirror-related lists</h2>
  
  Announcements and discussion relating to <a href="ftp.html">mirrors</a>
  of OpenBSD.
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  <dl>
  <dt><b>source-changes@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs">Archive</a>)
  <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the <code>src</code>,
  <code>xenocara</code> and <code>www</code> repositories.
  <p>
  
  <dt><b>ports-changes@openbsd.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs">Archive</a>)
  <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the <code>ports</code>
  repository.
  
  </dl>
  
! <h2 id="Mirrors">Mirror-Related Lists</h2>
  
  Announcements and discussion relating to <a href="ftp.html">mirrors</a>
  of OpenBSD.
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       to collect mail addresses of mirror admins. -->
  </dl>
  
! <h2 id="Majordomo">Managing list membership via Majordomo</h2>
  
  <p>
  If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available
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       to collect mail addresses of mirror admins. -->
  </dl>
  
! <h2 id="Majordomo">Managing List Membership via Majordomo</h2>
  
  <p>
  If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available
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  and you will receive a reply outlining all your options.
  Your domain <b>must</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!
  
! <h2 id="Web">Managing list membership via the web</h2>
  
  <p>
  Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via
  a web interface at <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">lists.openbsd.org</a>.
  
! <h2 id="Tricks">Mailing list tricks</h2>
  
  <p>
  There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either
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  and you will receive a reply outlining all your options.
  Your domain <b>must</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!
  
! <h2 id="Web">Managing List Membership via the Web</h2>
  
  <p>
  Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via
  a web interface at <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">lists.openbsd.org</a>.
  
! <h2 id="Tricks">Mailing List Tricks</h2>
  
  <p>
  There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either
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  <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?&amp;user=&amp;passw=&amp;list=GLOBAL&amp;func=help&amp;extra=overview">
  Majordomo overview page</a>.
  
! <h3>Digests</h3>
  
  <p>
  If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the
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  <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?&amp;user=&amp;passw=&amp;list=GLOBAL&amp;func=help&amp;extra=overview">
  Majordomo overview page</a>.
  
! <h2>Digests</h2>
  
  <p>
  If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the
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  <b>source-changes</b> list.
  Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one Majordomo email.
  
! <h2 id="OtherLists">Other mailing lists</h2>
  
! <p>
! The insomniac at <a href="https://www.benzedrine.ch/mailinglist.html">
! benzedrine.ch</a> maintains the <b>pf</b> list for people using the
! <a href=faq/pf/index.html>OpenBSD packet filter</a>.
! To subscribe, send an email with the message body of "subscribe" to
  <a href="mailto:pf-request@benzedrine.ch">pf-request@benzedrine.ch</a>.
  
! <h2 id="nonEnglish">Non-English lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available
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  <b>source-changes</b> list.
  Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one Majordomo email.
  
! <h2 id="OtherLists">Other Mailing Lists</h2>
  
! <dt><b>pf@benzedrine.ch</b>
! (<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-pf">Archive</a>)
! <dd>Discussions about the <a href=faq/pf/index.html>OpenBSD packet filter</a>.
! To subscribe, send an email with a message body of "subscribe" to
  <a href="mailto:pf-request@benzedrine.ch">pf-request@benzedrine.ch</a>.
+ More info <a href="https://www.benzedrine.ch/mailinglist.html">here</a>.
+ </dd>
  
! <h2 id="nonEnglish">Non-English Lists</h2>
  
  <p>
  Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available
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  <p>
  French:
  <b>blabla@openbsd.fr.eu.org</b>
  <br>To subscribe, send a message to 
  <a href="mailto:blabla+subscribe@openbsd.fr.eu.org">
  blabla+subscribe@openbsd.fr.eu.org</a>
- <br>
- (<a href="https://openbsd.fr.eu.org/blabla/">Archive</a>)
  
  <p>
  Spanish:
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  <p>
  French:
  <b>blabla@openbsd.fr.eu.org</b>
+ (<a href="https://openbsd.fr.eu.org/blabla/">Archive</a>)
  <br>To subscribe, send a message to 
  <a href="mailto:blabla+subscribe@openbsd.fr.eu.org">
  blabla+subscribe@openbsd.fr.eu.org</a>
  
  <p>
  Spanish: