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Mailing Lists

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Mailing Lists

-Mailing lists are an important means of communication among users and developers -of OpenBSD. With the exception of announce, the lists are not moderated. -We deliberately restrict the number of different mailing lists. This helps reduce the -amount of cross-posting and makes sure that the information gets distributed to a -wide audience. +Mailing lists are an important means of communication among users and +developers of OpenBSD. With the exceptions of announce and +security-anounce, the lists are not moderated. We deliberately +restrict the number of different mailing lists. +This helps reduce the amount of cross-posting and makes sure that the +information gets distributed to a wide audience. +

-

Netiquette

+ +

Netiquette

Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.

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Plain text, 72 characters per line -
Many subscribers read their mail on text-based mailers (mail(1), emacs) +
Plain text, 72 characters per line +
Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers +(mail(1), emacs, Mutt) and they find HTML-formatted messages, or lines that stretch beyond 72 characters often unreadable. Most OpenBSD mailing lists strip messages of MIME content before sending them out to the rest of the list. If you don't use plain text your messages will be reformatted or, if they cannot be reformatted, summarily rejected. -The only mailing list that allows attachments is the ports list, +The only mailing list that allows attachments is the ports list, they will be removed from messages on the other mailing lists. -
Do your homework before you post + +
Do your homework before you post
If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read the relevant documents such as the INSTALL.* text files in the FTP installation directories, the FAQ and the relevant man pages (start with -afterboot(8)). Make sure you include relevant -details (version, hardware, -dmesg(8)) that will help in troubleshooting. We want to -help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable learning experience. -
Include a useful Subject line +afterboot(8)), +and check the mailing list archives. +We want to help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable +learning experience, and no one wants to see the same question on the +lists for the fifth time in a month. + +
Include a useful Subject line
Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and so they will take longer to show up. Including a relevant Subject in the message will ensure that more people actually read what you've written. Also, avoid Subject lines with excessive capitalization. -
Trim your signature -
Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable length. Posts -are rarely critical enough to warrant a PGP signature, and those automatic address -cards are merely annoying. -
Stay on topic +"Help!" or "I can't get it to work!" are not a useful subject lines. +Do not change the subject line while on the same topic. YOU may know +what it is regarding, the rest of us who get several hundred messages a +day will have no idea. + +
Trim your signature +
Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable +length. PGP signatures, and those automatic address cards are merely +annoying and are stripped out. Legal disclaimers and advisories are +very annoying, and inappropriate to public mailing lists. + +
Stay on topic
Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD. + +
Include important information +
Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question. +No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your +problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than one +detail too little. Any question should include at least the +version of OpenBSD (i.e., +"3.2-stable", "3.3-current as of July 20, 2003"). Any hardware related +questions should also include mentioning the platform (i.e., sparc, +alpha, etc.), and provide a full +dmesg(8)). +Hardware model numbers, unfortunately, don't indicate much about the +actual content of a particular machine or accessory, and are useless to +anyone who doesn't have that exact machine sitting where they can easily +recognize it. The dmesg(8) tells us exactly what is IN your machine, +not what stickers are on the outside. + +
Respect differences in opinion and philosophy +
Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to +very different conclusions. Repeating the same points that didn't +convince someone previously rarely changes their mind and irritates all +the other readers. + +
Do not cross-post or repeat post +
Posting the same message to multiple lists and/or multiple times +does not increase the likelihood of getting a useful response, but is +likely to irritate the people you want to help you. If you didn't get a +satisfactory response the first time you posted to an appropriate list, +it is usually because you provided insufficient or unclear information. +Don't simply repost the same message. +

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Spam

+ +

Spam

-Spam is always forbidden but sometimes things slip through the -cracks. If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, +The OpenBSD mailing lists use +SpamAssassin to keep down the +spam volume but something things sneak through. +In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject +based on some common spam telltales. +If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, you might want to submit it to spamcop. In general, you don't have to send a copy to the list owner--chances are he's already seen it. Please note that complaining about +and commenting upon spam on the list proper is counter-productive as it generates more -traffic than the spam itself... -
-The OpenBSD mailing lists will deny mail from any host on the -MAPS RBL, -MAPS Dialup or -MAPS RSS blacklists. -In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject -based on some common spam telltales. +traffic than the spam itself. -

The Mailing Lists

-

-To subscribe to a given list, send mail to -majordomo@OpenBSD.org -with a message body of "subscribe mailing-list-name". + + +

The Mailing Lists

+ +

General Interest Lists

+These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.
-
announce -
Important announcements. This low volume list -is excellent for people who just want occasional news about the project. -
security-announce + +
misc +
User questions and answers, general questions. This is the most +active list. Please, read the FAQ and the +installation documents, and see How to report a +Problem before posting. + +
advocacy +
Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in +misc often get shunted here. + +
announce +
Important announcements. This low volume list is excellent for +people who just want occasional news about the project. + +
security-announce
Security announcements. This low volume list receives OpenBSD security advisories and pointers to security patches as they become available. -
misc -
User questions and answers, general questions. This is the most active list. -Please, read the FAQ and the installation documents -before you post. -
tech -
Technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced users. -Please, direct 'new user' and installation-related questions -to misc. Please, do not cross-post to both -misc and tech. -
bugs -
Bug reports as sent in via -sendbug(1) and follow-up discussions. -
source-changes -
Automated mailout of CVS source tree changes. -
ports + +
ports
Discussions about using and contributing to the 'ports' source tree. -
ports-changes -
Automated mailout of ports-specific CVS source tree changes. -
ipv6 -
Discussions about OpenBSD IP version 6. -
advocacy -
Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in -misc often get shunted here. -
smp -
Discussion of Symmetric Multi-Processing design and implementation -on OpenBSD. + +
www +
Discussion of the OpenBSD Website.
+

Developer's Lists

+These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD. They +are NOT for beginning or average users, they are not for problem +reporting (unless you are including a good fix), and they are not for +installation problems. If you have any question about if a message +should be posted to any of these lists, almost invariably, it should not +be. Use misc, above, instead. Please do not cross post +to multiple lists. + +
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bugs +
Bug reports as sent in via +sendbug(1) +and follow-up discussions. If you wish to have your message logged +by the GNATS bug tracking system, reply +to gnats@openbsd.org, gnats@ will then forward to bugs@. + +
ipv6 +
Discussion of IPv6 and IPsec in OpenBSD + +
ports-bugs +
Discussion regarding bugs within the OpenBSD ports tree + +
smp +
Development of multiprocessor +support in OpenBSD. Offers to "help test" and complaints about it not +being completed yet are not appreciated. Code, however, is welcome. + +
tech +
Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced +users. This is not a "tech support" forum, do not use it as +such. + +
x11 +
Discussion of X11 development within OpenBSD +
+ +

Platform Specific Lists

+These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual +platforms. +
+
alpha +
OpenBSD/alpha port + +
hppa +
OpenBSD/hppa port + +
mac68k +
OpenBSD/mac68k port (not PowerPC Macintosh systems) + +
ppc +
OpenBSD/macppc port and other PowerPC porting efforts + +
sparc +
OpenBSD/sparc and OpenBSD/sparc64 ports + +
vax +
OpenBSD/vax port +
+ +

CVS Changes Mailing Lists

+Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD +CVS tree, a message is mailed out to all the subscribers +of these lists, containing the commit comments. + +
+
source-changes +
Automated mail-out of CVS source tree changes in all the repositories +other than ports. + +
ports-changes +
Automated mail-out of ports-specific CVS source tree changes. +
+ +

CTM Lists

+A number of mailing lists are used by the CTM, +an alternative source change distribution system. See the +CTM page for details. + + + +

Managing Mailing List Membership via +Majordomo

-OpenBSD also maintains several lists specific to given architectures and special -projects. These lists are public in the sense that anyone can subscribe to them, but -they should be considered reserved for developers and testers. In keeping with -the openness principle of OpenBSD, there are no private mailing -lists.
If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available -at openbsd.org, send the command "lists" on the body of +at openbsd.org, send the command "lists" on the body of a message to majordomo@OpenBSD.org.

-For further assistance, send a message body of "help" +To subscribe to a given list, send mail to +majordomo@OpenBSD.org +with a message body of "subscribe mailing-list-name". + +

+For further assistance, send a message body of "help" to majordomo@OpenBSD.org and you will receive a reply outlining all your options. Your domain -MUST resolve properly or the mail will not go through! +MUST resolve properly or the mail will not go through! + + +

Managing Mailing List Membership via +Web

+Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via +a web interface at: +
+http://lists.openbsd.org/ +
+ + + +

Mailing Lists Tricks

+There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either +by the web interface or through +Majordomo. You can change +your email address without having to unsubscribe and resubscribe, you +can temporarily disable your message for a few days while you go on +vacation, and much more. The user is invited to spend some time reading +through the options, available by sending +Majordomo a message +containing "help" as the body text, or through the +"Help" tab of the web +interface. +

-The fine folks at squish.net -run mailing lists with daily and weekly digests of the OpenBSD -source-changes mailing list. This is handy for those -who don't like the typically high volume of that list. +As an example, if you were going on vacation for two weeks and didn't +wish to come back to several thousand e-mails, you can disable the +messages from the mail server for the time of your vacation and have +them automaticly resume upon your scheduled return using the command: +

+     set all nomail-14d
+
+

Digests

+If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the +messages for a time period), rather than getting messages individually +in "real-time" form, you can use the commands: +
+     set misc digest-daily
+     set source-changes digest-weekly
+
+for daily digests of the misc list, and weekly digests of the +source-changes list. Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one +Majordomo email. + + + +

Other Mailing Lists

+The fine folks at +squish.net run mailing +lists with daily and weekly digests of the OpenBSD source-changes +and ports-changes mailing list. This is handy for those who +don't like the typically high volume of that list. + +

The clever monkeys at monkey.org -maintain the openbsd-mobile list for people using OpenBSD +maintain the openbsd-mobile list for people using OpenBSD on mobile and laptop computers. To subscribe:
echo subscribe | mail openbsd-mobile-request@monkey.org

The insomniac at benzedrine.cx -maintains the pf list for people using the OpenBSD +maintains the pf list for people using the OpenBSD packet filter. To subscribe:
echo subscribe | mail pf-request@benzedrine.cx @@ -159,10 +329,10 @@ A mailing list for OpenBSD FTP, Web, AnonCVS and CVSup mirror maintainers is available at rt.fm. -

Non-English Lists

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Non-English Lists

-

-Several non-english speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available +Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available separately. Here is a list of the currently known mailing lists:

Czech: -users@openbsd.cz +users@openbsd.cz
To subscribe, visit the URL at: http://openbsd.cz/mailman/listinfo/users/. @@ -191,15 +361,15 @@

Greek: -openbsd@bsd.gr +openbsd@bsd.gr
To subscribe send a mail to majordomo@bsd.gr with a message -body of "subscribe openbsd". +body of "subscribe openbsd".

Italian: -sikurezza.org, an italian language -non-commercial security portal hosts openbsd@sikurezza.org. +sikurezza.org, an Italian language +non-commercial security portal hosts openbsd@sikurezza.org.
To subscribe just send an empty message to openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org. @@ -214,34 +384,41 @@

Portuguese: -openbsd@neei.uevora.pt +openbsd@neei.uevora.pt
To subscribe, visit the URL at: http://neei.uevora.pt/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/.

Russian: -openbsd@openbsd.ru +openbsd@openbsd.ru
To subscribe, send mail to minimalist@openbsd.ru with -subject "subscribe openbsd". +subject "subscribe openbsd".

Spanish: -misc@openbsd.org.mx, run from Mexico. +misc@openbsd.org.mx, run from Mexico.
To subscribe, send an empty mail to misc-subscribe@openbsd.org.mx.

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Mailing List Archives:

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Mailing List Archives:

+These mailing list archives are not managed by the OpenBSD project. +Take the time to look at more than one -- each is a little different, +and has different search abilities. If you don't find an answer in +one, check another. + +

+General search engines, such as +Google also prove very effective at +finding answers to OpenBSD questions. +