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1.144 tb 20: <font color="#0000ff"><i>Open</i></font><font color="#000084">BSD</font></a>
21: <font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists</font>
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1.57 horacio 23: <hr>
1.144 tb 24: <p>
1.7 downsj 25:
1.66 nick 26: Mailing lists are an important means of communication among users and
1.139 tj 27: developers of OpenBSD.
28: With the exception of <b>announce</b>, the lists are not moderated.
29: We deliberately restrict the number of different mailing lists.
30: This helps reduce the amount of cross-posting and makes sure that
31: the information gets distributed to a wide audience.
32:
1.151 tb 33: <h2 id="Netiquette">Netiquette</h2>
1.66 nick 34:
1.28 louis 35: Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.
1.139 tj 36:
1.28 louis 37: <dl>
1.66 nick 38: <dt><b>Plain text, 72 characters per line</b>
39: <dd>Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers
1.161 ! tb 40: like <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/mail">mail(1)</a>,
1.139 tj 41: emacs or mutt, and they often find HTML-formatted messages (or lines that
42: stretch beyond 72 characters) unreadable.
43: Most OpenBSD mailing lists strip messages of MIME content before sending
44: them out to the rest of the list.
45: If you don't use plain text, your messages will be reformatted or, if they
46: cannot be reformatted, summarily rejected.
47: The only mailing lists that allow file attachments are the <b>bugs</b>,
48: <b>ports</b> and <b>tech</b> lists.
49: They will be removed from messages on the others.
1.66 nick 50:
51: <dt><b>Do your homework before you post</b>
1.139 tj 52: <dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read
1.146 tj 53: the relevant documents, such as the <tt>INSTALL.*</tt> text files in the
1.139 tj 54: installation directories, the <a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the
55: relevant man pages (start with
1.161 ! tb 56: <a href= "https://man.openbsd.org/afterboot">afterboot(8)</a>).
1.139 tj 57: Also check the mailing list <a href="#Archives">archives</a>.
1.66 nick 58: We want to help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable
59: learning experience, and no one wants to see the same question on the
60: lists for the fifth time in a month.
61:
62: <dt><b>Include a useful Subject line</b>
1.45 millert 63: <dd>Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and
1.139 tj 64: will take longer to show up.
65: Including a relevant Subject in the message
1.45 millert 66: will ensure that more people actually read what you've written.
67: Also, avoid Subject lines with excessive capitalization.
1.96 jmc 68: "Help!" or "I can't get it to work!" are not useful subject lines.
1.139 tj 69: Do not change the subject line while on the same topic.
70: YOU may know what it is regarding, the rest of us who get several hundred
71: messages a day will have no idea.
1.66 nick 72:
73: <dt><b>Trim your signature</b>
74: <dd>Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable
1.139 tj 75: length.
76: PGP signatures and those automatic address cards are merely annoying and
77: are stripped out.
78: Legal disclaimers and advisories are also very annoying, and inappropriate
79: for public mailing lists.
1.66 nick 80:
81: <dt><b>Stay on topic</b>
1.28 louis 82: <dd>Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD.
1.66 nick 83:
84: <dt><b>Include important information</b>
85: <dd>Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.
86: No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your
1.139 tj 87: problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than not
88: enough detail.
89: All questions should include at least the <a href="faq/faq5.html#Flavors">
90: version</a> of OpenBSD.
91: Any hardware-related questions should mention the platform (i386, amd64,
92: etc.) and provide a full
1.161 ! tb 93: <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/dmesg">dmesg(8)</a>.
1.66 nick 94: Hardware model numbers, unfortunately, don't indicate much about the
95: actual content of a particular machine or accessory, and are useless to
96: anyone who doesn't have that exact machine sitting where they can easily
1.139 tj 97: recognize it.
98: The dmesg(8) output tells us exactly what is IN your machine, not what
99: stickers are on the outside.
1.66 nick 100:
101: <dt><b>Respect differences in opinion and philosophy</b>
1.139 tj 102: <dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to very
103: different conclusions.
104: Repeating the same points that didn't convince someone previously rarely
105: changes their mind, and irritates all the other readers.
1.28 louis 106: </dl>
1.1 deraadt 107:
1.151 tb 108: <h2 id="spam">Spam</h2>
1.139 tj 109:
1.161 ! tb 110: The OpenBSD lists use <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/spamd">spamd(8)</a>
1.151 tb 111: and <a href="http://www.spamassassin.org">SpamAssassin</a> to keep down the
112: spam volume, but things do sneak through from time to time -- deal with it.
1.139 tj 113: In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject emails
1.87 millert 114: based on some common spam and virus telltales.
115: If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists, you don't need to
1.139 tj 116: send a copy to the list owner -- chances are he's already seen it.
1.87 millert 117: Also, please do <b>not</b> submit spam received through the
1.139 tj 118: mailing lists to <a href="http://spamcop.net">spamcop</a>,
1.87 millert 119: as this will result in the list server being added to their RBL.
1.139 tj 120: Complaining about and commenting upon spam on the list proper is
121: counter-productive, as it generates more traffic than the spam itself.
122:
1.87 millert 123: <p>
1.139 tj 124: Note that if you are sending mail from a dynamic IP address, you
1.77 millert 125: will probably <b>not</b> be able to post to the mailing lists.
1.136 tb 126: In this case, you should use a <em>smart host</em> mail configuration
1.139 tj 127: that utilizes your ISP's mail server.
128: See the examples in
1.161 ! tb 129: <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf">smtpd.conf(5)</a> for how
1.151 tb 130: to do this.
1.66 nick 131:
1.151 tb 132: <h2 id="Lists">General interest lists</h2>
1.33 millert 133:
1.66 nick 134: These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.
1.1 deraadt 135: <dl>
1.66 nick 136:
137: <dt><b>misc</b>
1.139 tj 138: <dd>User questions and answers, general questions.
139: This is the most active list.
140: Please, <a href="faq/index.html">read the FAQ</a> and the installation
141: documents, and see <a href="report.html">how to report a problem</a>
142: before posting.
1.66 nick 143:
144: <dt><b>advocacy</b>
1.139 tj 145: <dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD.
1.66 nick 146:
147: <dt><b>announce</b>
1.160 tj 148: <dd>Announcements and security advisories.
1.66 nick 149:
150: <dt><b>ports</b>
1.156 tj 151: <dd>Discussions about using and contributing to the ports tree.
1.66 nick 152:
1.127 tedu 153: </dl>
154:
1.151 tb 155: <h3>Developer lists</h3>
1.139 tj 156:
157: These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD.
158: They are NOT for beginning or average users, they are not for problem
159: reporting (unless you are including a good fix) and they are not for
160: installation problems.
161: If you have any question about if a message should be posted to any of
162: these lists, it probably should not.
163: Use <b>misc</b> instead.
1.66 nick 164:
165: <dl>
166: <dt><b>bugs</b>
1.57 horacio 167: <dd><a href="report.html">Bug reports</a> as sent in via
1.161 ! tb 168: <a href="https://man.openbsd.org/sendbug">sendbug(1)</a>
1.139 tj 169: and follow-up discussions.
1.66 nick 170:
171: <dt><b>tech</b>
172: <dd>Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced
1.139 tj 173: users.
174: This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum; do not use it as such.
1.86 nick 175: OpenBSD developers will often make patches to implement new features
176: and other important changes available for public testing through this
177: list.
1.134 doug 178:
179: <dt><b>libressl</b>
180: <dd>Technical discussion about native and portable LibreSSL.
181: Users of LibreSSL on any operating system are welcome to participate.
182: Patches for the native LibreSSL should be sent to this list and use
183: OpenBSD's CVS tree or a git mirror of it.
184: Patches for the portable bits should be pull requests on
185: <a href="https://github.com/libressl-portable">github</a>.
186: </dl>
187:
1.151 tb 188: <h3>Security lists</h3>
1.139 tj 189:
1.134 doug 190: These private lists are for reporting vulnerabilities to the OpenBSD team.
191:
192: <dl>
193: <dt><b>libressl-security</b>
194: <dd>Report vulnerabilities related to OpenSSL or LibreSSL to the core
195: LibreSSL team.
1.151 tb 196: <dt><b>security</b>
197: <dd>Report vulnerabilities related to OpenBSD.
1.123 deraadt 198: </dl>
1.66 nick 199:
1.151 tb 200: <h3>Platform-specific lists</h3>
1.139 tj 201:
1.66 nick 202: These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual
203: platforms.
1.139 tj 204:
1.66 nick 205: <dl>
206: <dt><b>alpha</b>
207: <dd>OpenBSD/alpha port
208:
1.75 miod 209: <dt><b>arm</b>
1.155 tj 210: <dd>OpenBSD/armv7 port and other ARM porting efforts
1.75 miod 211:
1.66 nick 212: <dt><b>hppa</b>
213: <dd>OpenBSD/hppa port
214:
1.98 miod 215: <dt><b>m88k</b>
1.144 tb 216: <dd>OpenBSD/luna88k port
1.98 miod 217:
1.66 nick 218: <dt><b>ppc</b>
1.81 nick 219: <dd>OpenBSD/macppc and other PowerPC porting efforts
1.66 nick 220:
1.109 jsing 221: <dt><b>sgi</b>
222: <dd>OpenBSD/sgi port
223:
1.66 nick 224: <dt><b>sparc</b>
1.150 tj 225: <dd>OpenBSD/sparc64 port
1.66 nick 226: </dl>
227:
1.151 tb 228: <h3>CVS changes mailing lists</h3>
1.139 tj 229:
230: Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD CVS tree, a message
231: is mailed out to all the subscribers of these lists, containing the commit
232: comments.
1.66 nick 233:
234: <dl>
235: <dt><b>source-changes</b>
1.139 tj 236: <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the src, xenocara and www
237: repositories.
1.66 nick 238:
239: <dt><b>ports-changes</b>
1.139 tj 240: <dd>Automated mail of CVS source tree changes in the ports repository.
1.1 deraadt 241: </dl>
242:
1.151 tb 243: <h2 id="Mirrors">Mirror-related lists</h2>
1.139 tj 244:
1.116 sthen 245: Announcements and discussion relating to mirrors of OpenBSD.
246:
247: <dl>
248: <dt><b>mirrors-announce</b>
249: <dd>This is a moderated list used solely for important announcements
250: to operators of OpenBSD mirrors.
251:
252: <dt><b>mirrors-discuss</b>
253: <dd>Discussion relating to OpenBSD mirrors.
254: </dl>
255:
1.151 tb 256: <h2 id="Majordomo">Managing list membership via Majordomo</h2>
1.139 tj 257:
1.57 horacio 258: If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available
1.139 tj 259: at openbsd.org, send the command <tt>lists</tt> in the body of
1.57 horacio 260: a message to
261: <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>.
1.28 louis 262:
263: <p>
1.66 nick 264: To subscribe to a given list, send mail to
265: <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>
1.139 tj 266: with a message body of "subscribe <tt>mailing-list-name</tt>" (where
267: <tt>mailing-list-name</tt> is the name of your preferred list).
1.66 nick 268:
269: <p>
1.139 tj 270: For further assistance, send a message body of "help" to
271: <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>
272: and you will receive a reply outlining all your options.
1.151 tb 273: Your domain <b>must</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!
1.1 deraadt 274:
1.151 tb 275: <h2 id="Web">Managing list membership via the web</h2>
1.66 nick 276:
277: Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via
1.139 tj 278: a web interface at <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">lists.openbsd.org</a>.
1.66 nick 279:
1.151 tb 280: <h2 id="Tricks">Mailing list tricks</h2>
1.66 nick 281:
282: There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either
1.139 tj 283: by the <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a> or through
284: <a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a>.
285: You can change your email address without having to unsubscribe and
286: resubscribe, temporarily disable your message delivery for a few days
287: while you go on vacation and much more.
288: The user is invited to spend some time reading through the options, available
289: by sending <a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a> a message
290: containing "help" as the body text, or through the "Help" tab of the
291: <a href="https://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a>.
1.66 nick 292:
293: <p>
294: As an example, if you were going on vacation for two weeks and didn't
1.139 tj 295: wish to come back to several thousand emails, you can disable message
296: delivery by the mail server for the time of your vacation and have
1.70 nick 297: delivery automatically resume upon your scheduled return using the command:
1.139 tj 298:
299: <blockquote><pre>
300: set ALL nomail-14d
301: </pre></blockquote>
302:
1.141 tj 303: This will suspend your subscription to all mailing lists for 14 days
1.139 tj 304: (<tt>-14d</tt>).
305: More details and options can be seen on the
306: <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?&user=&passw=&list=GLOBAL&func=help&extra=overview">
307: Majordomo overview page</a>.
1.68 nick 308:
1.139 tj 309: <h3>Digests</h3>
1.66 nick 310:
311: If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the
312: messages for a time period), rather than getting messages individually
313: in "real-time" form, you can use the commands:
1.139 tj 314:
315: <blockquote><pre>
316: set misc digest-daily
317: set source-changes digest-weekly
318: </pre></blockquote>
319:
1.66 nick 320: for daily digests of the <b>misc</b> list, and weekly digests of the
1.139 tj 321: <b>source-changes</b> list.
322: Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one Majordomo email.
1.66 nick 323:
1.151 tb 324: <h2 id="OtherLists">Other Mailing Lists</h2>
1.66 nick 325:
1.151 tb 326: The fine folks at <a href="http://www.squish.net/openbsd/">squish.net</a> run
327: mailing lists with daily and weekly digests of the OpenBSD <b>source-changes</b>
1.139 tj 328: and <b>ports-changes</b> mailing list.
1.151 tb 329: This is handy for those who don't like the typically high volume of these lists.
1.42 millert 330:
331: <p>
1.139 tj 332: The insomniac at <a href="http://www.benzedrine.ch/mailinglist.html">
333: benzedrine.ch</a> maintains the <b>pf</b> list for people using the
334: OpenBSD packet filter.
335: To subscribe, send an email with the message body of "subscribe" to
336: <a href="mailto:pf-request@benzedrine.ch">pf-request@benzedrine.ch</a>.
1.61 dhartmei 337:
1.151 tb 338: <h2 id="nonEnglish">Non-English lists</h2>
1.28 louis 339:
1.66 nick 340: Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available
1.139 tj 341: separately.
342: Here is a list of the currently known mailing lists:
1.59 miod 343:
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348:
349: <p>
1.114 syuu 350: Japanese:
1.139 tj 351: <b>openbsd-japan@googlegroups.com</b>
352: <br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:
1.114 syuu 353: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/openbsd-japan">
354: http://groups.google.com/group/openbsd-japan</a>
355:
1.131 sthen 356: <p>
1.139 tj 357: Spanish:
358: <b>OpenBSD-Mexico@googlegroups.com</b>
1.59 miod 359: <br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:
1.91 grunk 360: <a href="http://groups.google.com.mx/group/OpenBSD-Mexico">
361: http://groups.google.com.mx/group/OpenBSD-Mexico</a>
1.49 horacio 362:
363: <p>
1.101 steven 364: Ukrainian:
365: <b>openbsd@uaoug.org.ua</b>
1.139 tj 366: <br>To subscribe, send an empty message to
1.101 steven 367: <a href="mailto:openbsd+subscribe@uaoug.org.ua">
368: openbsd+subscribe@uaoug.org.ua</a>
369:
1.151 tb 370: <h2 id="Archives">Mailing list archives</h2>
1.139 tj 371:
1.66 nick 372: These mailing list archives are not managed by the OpenBSD project.
373:
1.19 deraadt 374: <ul>
1.149 krw 375: <li>HTTP: <a href="https://marc.info">MARC</a>
376: <li>NNTP: <a href="nntp://news.gmane.org/">Gmane</a>
1.19 deraadt 377: </ul>
1.1 deraadt 378:
1.97 nick 379: <p>
1.139 tj 380: General search engines also prove very effective at finding answers to
381: OpenBSD questions.
1.97 nick 382:
1.103 reyk 383: <p>
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