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1.66 ! nick 18: <h1><font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists</font></h1>
1.57 horacio 19: <hr>
1.7 downsj 20:
1.66 ! nick 21: Mailing lists are an important means of communication among users and
! 22: developers of OpenBSD. With the exceptions of <b>announce</b> and
! 23: <b>security-anounce</b>, the lists are not moderated. We deliberately
! 24: restrict the number of different mailing lists.
! 25: This helps reduce the amount of cross-posting and makes sure that the
! 26: information gets distributed to a wide audience.
! 27:
1.28 louis 28: <p>
1.66 ! nick 29: <a name="Netiquette"></a>
! 30: <h2><font color="#e00000">Netiquette</font></h2>
1.28 louis 31: <p>
32: Be considerate of other subscribers on the mailing lists.
33: <dl>
1.66 ! nick 34: <dt><b>Plain text, 72 characters per line</b>
! 35: <dd>Many subscribers and developers read their mail on text-based mailers
! 36: (mail(1), emacs, Mutt)
1.45 millert 37: and they find HTML-formatted messages, or lines that stretch beyond 72
38: characters often unreadable.
39: Most OpenBSD mailing lists strip messages of MIME content before
40: sending them out to the rest of the list.
41: If you don't use plain text your messages will be reformatted or,
42: if they cannot be reformatted, summarily rejected.
1.66 ! nick 43: The only mailing list that allows attachments is the <b>ports</b> list,
1.45 millert 44: they will be removed from messages on the other mailing lists.
1.66 ! nick 45:
! 46: <dt><b>Do your homework before you post</b>
1.28 louis 47: <dd>If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read the relevant
48: documents such as the INSTALL.* text files in the FTP installation directories, the
1.57 horacio 49: <a href="faq/index.html">FAQ</a> and the relevant man pages (start with
1.66 ! nick 50: <a href= "http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=afterboot&sektion=8">afterboot(8)</a>),
! 51: and check the mailing list <a href="#Archives">archives</a>.
! 52: We want to help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable
! 53: learning experience, and no one wants to see the same question on the
! 54: lists for the fifth time in a month.
! 55:
! 56: <dt><b>Include a useful Subject line</b>
1.45 millert 57: <dd>Messages with an empty Subject will get bounced to the list manager and
1.57 horacio 58: so they will take longer to show up. Including a relevant Subject in the message
1.45 millert 59: will ensure that more people actually read what you've written.
60: Also, avoid Subject lines with excessive capitalization.
1.66 ! nick 61: "Help!" or "I can't get it to work!" are not a useful subject lines.
! 62: Do not change the subject line while on the same topic. YOU may know
! 63: what it is regarding, the rest of us who get several hundred messages a
! 64: day will have no idea.
! 65:
! 66: <dt><b>Trim your signature</b>
! 67: <dd>Keep the signature lines at the bottom of your mail to a reasonable
! 68: length. PGP signatures, and those automatic address cards are merely
! 69: annoying and are stripped out. Legal disclaimers and advisories are
! 70: very annoying, and inappropriate to public mailing lists.
! 71:
! 72: <dt><b>Stay on topic</b>
1.28 louis 73: <dd>Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of OpenBSD.
1.66 ! nick 74:
! 75: <dt><b>Include important information</b>
! 76: <dd>Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.
! 77: No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your
! 78: problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than one
! 79: detail too little. Any question should include at least the
! 80: <a href="faq/faq5.html#Flavors">version</a> of OpenBSD (i.e.,
! 81: "3.2-stable", "3.3-current as of July 20, 2003"). Any hardware related
! 82: questions should also include mentioning the platform (i.e., sparc,
! 83: alpha, etc.), and provide a full
! 84: <a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dmesg&sektion=8">dmesg(8)</a>).
! 85: Hardware model numbers, unfortunately, don't indicate much about the
! 86: actual content of a particular machine or accessory, and are useless to
! 87: anyone who doesn't have that exact machine sitting where they can easily
! 88: recognize it. The dmesg(8) tells us exactly what is IN your machine,
! 89: not what stickers are on the outside.
! 90:
! 91: <dt><b>Respect differences in opinion and philosophy</b>
! 92: <dd>Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to
! 93: very different conclusions. Repeating the same points that didn't
! 94: convince someone previously rarely changes their mind and irritates all
! 95: the other readers.
! 96:
! 97: <dt><b>Do not cross-post or repeat post</b>
! 98: <dd>Posting the same message to multiple lists and/or multiple times
! 99: does not increase the likelihood of getting a useful response, but is
! 100: likely to irritate the people you want to help you. If you didn't get a
! 101: satisfactory response the first time you posted to an appropriate list,
! 102: it is usually because you provided insufficient or unclear information.
! 103: Don't simply repost the same message.
! 104:
1.28 louis 105: </dl>
1.1 deraadt 106:
1.33 millert 107: <p>
1.66 ! nick 108: <a name="spam"></a>
! 109: <h2><font color="#e00000">Spam</font></h2>
1.33 millert 110: <p>
1.66 ! nick 111: The OpenBSD mailing lists use
! 112: <a href="http://www.spamassassin.org">SpamAssassin</a> to keep down the
! 113: spam volume but something things sneak through.
! 114: In addition, the list server also has regex-based rules to reject
! 115: based on some common spam telltales.
! 116: If you get spam through one of the OpenBSD mailing lists,
1.33 millert 117: you might want to submit it to <a href="http://spamcop.net">spamcop</a>.
118: In general, you don't have to send a copy to the list owner--chances
1.42 millert 119: are he's already seen it. Please note that complaining about
1.66 ! nick 120: and commenting upon
1.42 millert 121: spam on the list proper is counter-productive as it generates more
1.66 ! nick 122: traffic than the spam itself.
! 123:
! 124:
! 125: <a name="Lists"></a>
! 126: <h2><font color="#e00000">The Mailing Lists</font></h2>
1.33 millert 127:
1.66 ! nick 128: <h3>General Interest Lists</h3>
! 129: These lists are of interest to most users of OpenBSD.
1.1 deraadt 130: <dl>
1.66 ! nick 131:
! 132: <dt><b>misc</b>
! 133: <dd>User questions and answers, general questions. This is the most
! 134: active list. Please, <a href="faq/index.html">read the FAQ</a> and the
! 135: installation documents, and see <a href="report.html">How to report a
! 136: Problem</a> before posting.
! 137:
! 138: <dt><b>advocacy</b>
! 139: <dd>Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in
! 140: <i>misc</i> often get shunted here.
! 141:
! 142: <dt><b>announce</b>
! 143: <dd>Important announcements. This low volume list is excellent for
! 144: people who just want occasional news about the project.
! 145:
! 146: <dt><b>security-announce</b>
1.31 millert 147: <dd>Security announcements. This low volume list receives OpenBSD
148: security advisories and pointers to security patches as they become
149: available.
1.66 ! nick 150:
! 151: <dt><b>ports</b>
! 152: <dd>Discussions about using and contributing to the 'ports' source tree.
! 153:
! 154: <dt><b>www</b>
! 155: <dd>Discussion of the OpenBSD Website.</dd>
! 156: </dl>
! 157:
! 158: <h3>Developer's Lists</h3>
! 159: These lists are for technical discussions of aspects of OpenBSD. They
! 160: are NOT for beginning or average users, they are not for problem
! 161: reporting (unless you are including a good fix), and they are not for
! 162: installation problems. If you have any question about if a message
! 163: should be posted to any of these lists, almost invariably, it should not
! 164: be. Use <b>misc</b>, above, instead. <b>Please</b> do not cross post
! 165: to multiple lists.
! 166:
! 167: <dl>
! 168: <dt><b>bugs</b>
1.57 horacio 169: <dd><a href="report.html">Bug reports</a> as sent in via
1.66 ! nick 170: <a href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sendbug&sektion=1">sendbug(1)</a>
! 171: and follow-up discussions. If you wish to have your message logged
! 172: by the <a href="query-pr.html">GNATS</a> bug tracking system, reply
! 173: to <i>gnats@openbsd.org</i>, gnats@ will then forward to <i>bugs@</i>.
! 174:
! 175: <dt><b>ipv6</b>
! 176: <dd>Discussion of IPv6 and IPsec in OpenBSD
! 177:
! 178: <dt><b>ports-bugs</b>
! 179: <dd>Discussion regarding bugs within the OpenBSD ports tree
! 180:
! 181: <dt><b>smp</b>
! 182: <dd>Development of <a href="faq/faq8.html#SMP">multiprocessor</a>
! 183: support in OpenBSD. Offers to "help test" and complaints about it not
! 184: being completed yet are not appreciated. Code, however, is welcome.
! 185:
! 186: <dt><b>tech</b>
! 187: <dd>Discussion of technical topics for OpenBSD developers and advanced
! 188: users. This is <b>not</b> a "tech support" forum, do not use it as
! 189: such.
! 190:
! 191: <dt><b>x11</b>
! 192: <dd>Discussion of X11 development within OpenBSD
! 193: </dl>
! 194:
! 195: <h3>Platform Specific Lists</h3>
! 196: These lists are focused on user issues and development on individual
! 197: platforms.
! 198: <dl>
! 199: <dt><b>alpha</b>
! 200: <dd>OpenBSD/alpha port
! 201:
! 202: <dt><b>hppa</b>
! 203: <dd>OpenBSD/hppa port
! 204:
! 205: <dt><b>mac68k</b>
! 206: <dd>OpenBSD/mac68k port (not PowerPC Macintosh systems)
! 207:
! 208: <dt><b>ppc</b>
! 209: <dd>OpenBSD/macppc port and other PowerPC porting efforts
! 210:
! 211: <dt><b>sparc</b>
! 212: <dd>OpenBSD/sparc and OpenBSD/sparc64 ports
! 213:
! 214: <dt><b>vax</b>
! 215: <dd>OpenBSD/vax port
! 216: </dl>
! 217:
! 218: <h3>CVS Changes Mailing Lists</h3>
! 219: Every time a developer commits a change to the OpenBSD
! 220: <a href="">CVS tree</a>, a message is mailed out to all the subscribers
! 221: of these lists, containing the commit comments.
! 222:
! 223: <dl>
! 224: <dt><b>source-changes</b>
! 225: <dd>Automated mail-out of CVS source tree changes in all the repositories
! 226: other than <i>ports</i>.
! 227:
! 228: <dt><b>ports-changes</b>
! 229: <dd>Automated mail-out of ports-specific CVS source tree changes.
1.1 deraadt 230: </dl>
231:
1.66 ! nick 232: <h3>CTM Lists</h3>
! 233: A number of mailing lists are used by the <a href="ctm.html">CTM</a>,
! 234: an alternative source change distribution system. See the
! 235: <a href="ctm.html">CTM page</a> for details.
! 236:
! 237:
! 238: <a name="Majordomo"></a>
! 239: <h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List Membership via
! 240: Majordomo</font></h2>
1.1 deraadt 241: <p>
1.57 horacio 242: If you want to be sent a complete list with all mailing lists available
1.66 ! nick 243: at openbsd.org, send the command "<tt>lists</tt>" on the body of
1.57 horacio 244: a message to
245: <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>.
1.28 louis 246:
247: <p>
1.66 ! nick 248: To subscribe to a given list, send mail to
! 249: <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>
! 250: with a message body of "<b>subscribe mailing-list-name</b>".
! 251:
! 252: <p>
! 253: For further assistance, send a message body of "<b>help</b>"
1.57 horacio 254: to <a href="mailto:majordomo@OpenBSD.org">majordomo@OpenBSD.org</a>
1.13 deraadt 255: and you will receive a reply outlining all your options. Your domain
1.66 ! nick 256: <b>MUST</b> resolve properly or the mail will not go through!
1.1 deraadt 257:
1.66 ! nick 258:
! 259: <a name="Web"></a>
! 260: <h2><font color="#e00000">Managing Mailing List Membership via
! 261: Web</font></h2>
! 262: Your membership to the OpenBSD mailing lists can also be managed via
! 263: a web interface at:
! 264: <blockquote>
! 265: <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org/">http://lists.openbsd.org/</a>
! 266: </blockquote>
! 267:
! 268:
! 269: <a name="Tricks"></a>
! 270: <h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing Lists Tricks</font></h2>
! 271: There are a number of very useful options that can be selected, either
! 272: by the <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org">web interface</a> or through
! 273: <a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a>. You can change
! 274: your email address without having to unsubscribe and resubscribe, you
! 275: can temporarily disable your message for a few days while you go on
! 276: vacation, and much more. The user is invited to spend some time reading
! 277: through the options, available by sending
! 278: <a href="mailto:majordomo@openbsd.org">Majordomo</a> a message
! 279: containing "<tt>help</tt>" as the body text, or through the
! 280: "<tt>Help</tt>" tab of the <a href="http://lists.openbsd.org">web
! 281: interface</a>.
! 282:
! 283: <p>
! 284: As an example, if you were going on vacation for two weeks and didn't
! 285: wish to come back to several thousand e-mails, you can disable the
! 286: messages from the mail server for the time of your vacation and have
! 287: them automaticly resume upon your scheduled return using the command:
! 288: <pre>
! 289: set all nomail-14d
! 290: </pre>
! 291:
! 292: <h3>Digests</h3>
! 293: If you would prefer to see a "digest" (a consolidated listing of all the
! 294: messages for a time period), rather than getting messages individually
! 295: in "real-time" form, you can use the commands:
! 296: <pre>
! 297: set misc digest-daily
! 298: set source-changes digest-weekly
! 299: </pre>
! 300: for daily digests of the <b>misc</b> list, and weekly digests of the
! 301: <b>source-changes</b> list. Yes, multiple commands can be placed in one
! 302: Majordomo email.
! 303:
! 304:
! 305: <a name="OtherLists"></a>
! 306: <h2><font color="#e00000">Other Mailing Lists</font></h2>
! 307: <p>
! 308: The fine folks at
! 309: <a href="http://www.squish.net/openbsd/">squish.net</a> run mailing
! 310: lists with daily and weekly digests of the OpenBSD <b>source-changes</b>
! 311: and <b>ports-changes</b> mailing list. This is handy for those who
! 312: don't like the typically high volume of that list.
1.42 millert 313:
314: <p>
1.39 horacio 315: The clever monkeys at <a href="http://www.monkey.org/openbsd-mobile/">monkey.org</a>
1.66 ! nick 316: maintain the <b>openbsd-mobile</b> list for people using OpenBSD
1.29 louis 317: on mobile and laptop computers. To subscribe:
318: <br>
319: echo subscribe | mail openbsd-mobile-request@monkey.org
320:
1.50 jufi 321: <p>
1.61 dhartmei 322: The insomniac at <a href="http://www.benzedrine.cx/pf/">benzedrine.cx</a>
1.66 ! nick 323: maintains the <b>pf</b> list for people using the OpenBSD
1.61 dhartmei 324: packet filter. To subscribe:
325: <br>
326: echo subscribe | mail pf-request@benzedrine.cx
327:
328: <p>
1.50 jufi 329: A mailing list for OpenBSD FTP, Web, AnonCVS and CVSup mirror maintainers is
330: available at <a href="http://rt.fm/openbsd-mirrors/">rt.fm</a>.
331:
1.66 ! nick 332: <a name="nonEnglish"></a>
! 333: <h2><font color="#e00000">Non-English Lists</font></h2>
1.28 louis 334:
1.66 ! nick 335: Several non-English speaking mailing lists related to OpenBSD are available
1.59 miod 336: separately. Here is a list of the currently known mailing lists:
337:
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1.59 miod 343: <p>
344: Chinese:
1.66 ! nick 345: <b>openbsd@shellhung.org</b>
1.59 miod 346: <br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:
347: <a href="http://www.shellhung.org/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/">http://www.shellhung.org/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/</a>.
1.63 nick 348: -->
1.59 miod 349:
350: <p>
351: Czech:
1.66 ! nick 352: <b>users@openbsd.cz</b>
1.59 miod 353: <br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:
354: <a href="http://openbsd.cz/mailman/listinfo/users/">http://openbsd.cz/mailman/listinfo/users/</a>.
355:
356: <p>
1.64 nick 357: German:
358: <strong>liste@openbsd.de</strong>
359: <br>To subscribe, please visit the URL at:
360: <a href="https://www.openbsd.de/listen/listinfo/liste">https://www.openbsd.de/listen/listinfo/liste</a>.
361:
362: <p>
1.59 miod 363: Greek:
1.66 ! nick 364: <b>openbsd@bsd.gr</b>
1.59 miod 365: <br>To subscribe send a mail to
366: <a href="mailto:majordomo@bsd.gr">majordomo@bsd.gr</a> with a message
1.66 ! nick 367: body of "<b>subscribe openbsd</b>".
1.18 deraadt 368:
369: <p>
1.59 miod 370: Italian:
1.66 ! nick 371: <a href="http://www.sikurezza.org/">sikurezza.org</a>, an Italian language
! 372: non-commercial security portal hosts <b>openbsd@sikurezza.org</b>.
1.59 miod 373: <br>To subscribe just send an empty message to <a
374: href="mailto:openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org">openbsd-subscribe@sikurezza.org</a>.
375:
376: <p>
377: Japanese: Please visit the URL at:
378: <a href="http://www.openbsd.ics.nara-wu.ac.jp/wakakusa">http://www.openbsd.ics.nara-wu.ac.jp/wakakus</a>
379: for more information.
380:
381: <p>
382: Polish: to subscribe, send mail to
1.55 miod 383: <a href="mailto:OpenBSD-request@bsdzine.org">OpenBSD-request@bsdzine.org</a>.
1.24 deraadt 384:
385: <p>
1.59 miod 386: Portuguese:
1.66 ! nick 387: <b>openbsd@neei.uevora.pt</b>
1.59 miod 388: <br>To subscribe, visit the URL at:
389: <a href="http://neei.uevora.pt/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/">http://neei.uevora.pt/mailman/listinfo/openbsd/</a>.
390:
391: <p>
1.60 miod 392: Russian:
1.66 ! nick 393: <b>openbsd@openbsd.ru</b>
1.47 form 394: <br>To subscribe, send mail to
395: <a href="mailto:minimalist@openbsd.ru">minimalist@openbsd.ru</a> with
1.66 ! nick 396: subject "<b>subscribe openbsd</b>".
1.34 form 397:
398: <p>
1.62 fgsch 399: Spanish:
1.66 ! nick 400: <b>misc@openbsd.org.mx</b>, run from Mexico.
1.43 horacio 401: <br>To subscribe, send an empty mail to
1.65 nick 402: <a href="mailto:misc-subscribe@openbsd.org.mx">misc-subscribe@openbsd.org.mx</a>.
1.49 horacio 403:
404: <p>
1.66 ! nick 405: <a name="Archives"></a>
! 406: <h2><font color="#e00000">Mailing List Archives:</font></h2>
! 407: These mailing list archives are not managed by the OpenBSD project.
! 408: Take the time to look at more than one -- each is a little different,
! 409: and has different search abilities. If you don't find an answer in
! 410: one, check another.
! 411:
! 412: <p>
! 413: General search engines, such as
! 414: <a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a> also prove very effective at
! 415: finding answers to OpenBSD questions.
! 416:
1.19 deraadt 417: <ul>
1.57 horacio 418: <li><a href="http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/">USA</a>
1.66 ! nick 419: <!-- seemingly not working any longer
1.27 ericj 420: <li><a href="http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/4/OpenBSD">Geocrawler Archive</a>
1.66 ! nick 421: -->
1.39 horacio 422: <li><a href="http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/">The primates at monkey.org</a>
1.41 avsm 423: <li><a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/">MARC</a>
1.51 heko 424: <li><a href="http://bsdsearch.com/eao/phorum/index.php?f=2">BSDSearch.com</a>
425: <li><a href="http://www.netsys.com/archives.html">@netsys.com</a>
1.57 horacio 426: <li>Neohapsis has a
427: <a href="http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/">mixed archive
428: for tech@, misc@ and ports@</a> and a
429: <a href="http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/cvs/">mixed
430: archive for CVS commits</a>
1.19 deraadt 431: </ul>
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